This is the best Steven Pinker interview I've ever seen. Pinker is both at his best and his worst in this interview.
He's at his best when he talks about taking the middle view, not in a Goldilocks sort of way, but that there's a finer grain of detail underlying many debates that doesn't quite put one in either camp.
He's at his worst when Tyler challenges his optimism.
They mention Jonathan Haidt, Friedrich Hayek, and Bryan Caplan asks the last question.